Drew and Adam huddle with ICC Men's Basketball Coach Bill Morosco (Florida) to talk about the importance of teamwork, how great teams come together, and what individuals can do to sustain a positive team culture.
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The Gavel Podcast - Episode 2 - Teamwork with Coach Bill Morosco (Florida)
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0:00:31.6 Adam Girtz: Hello everyone, welcome to this episode of The Gavel Podcast. My name is Adam Girtz.
0:00:36.1 Drew Logsdon: I'm Drew Logsdon.
0:00:38.7 Adam Girtz: And well, welcome to the show, everyone. We're here, we're back for our second episode. Thank you all for the wonderful response on our first episode, it was really awesome to see, you know, putting something out there in the world and then getting a positive response back to it. It was really awesome for us.
0:00:56.4 Drew Logsdon: Absolutely, absolutely. We've seen some great download numbers and some great subscriptions and some great feedback, and it's just been really encouraging to see everyone enjoy what we enjoy doing. So great stuff.
0:01:09.7 Adam Girtz: And we've got a lot more interviews that are ready to start coming out here over the next couple of months. I'm very excited, we're starting to put together all of our plans for the future with this, and the support that we've gotten from the community, it really enables us to do that, and that's exciting for us.
0:01:31.4 Drew Logsdon: Absolutely. And we'll talk about today's interview, but first, we got a couple of housekeeping items I think to cover, Adam.
0:01:37.6 Adam Girtz: Yes, we have housekeeping items. This is exciting.
0:01:40.0 Drew Logsdon: We do, we do. First up, obviously, we are knee-deep in spring recruitment season. Hopefully, everyone's having a solid recruitment. I know the expansion recruitment team just did a couple of virtual webinars and those recordings are actually on our YouTube page. So, if you get any chance to attend those, you can certainly access those on our YouTube page, we'll put links to those webinars in the show notes for this episode. But spring recruitment, super exciting.
0:02:05.4 Adam Girtz: Yeah. Our alumni out there, if you know a student at a university with the Sigma Nu chapter, contact that chapter, let them know you've got a referral. Especially for the legacy, that's a very exciting thing to be able to refer.
0:02:18.7 Drew Logsdon: Even if there's not a Sigma Nu chapter, let them know about your experience, may encourage him too to go down a new road.
0:02:24.5 Adam Girtz: Yeah, I obviously always looking for new community members. I think the Greek experience is something that can add a lot to any collegiate's life.
0:02:35.6 Drew Logsdon: Absolutely, absolutely. And then this episode's coming out on a Friday, and tomorrow, but if you're listening to this right now, on February 13th, we've got our last virtual Sigma Nu Institute. Something that we talked about in our last episode, but super exciting that we're doing this year, obviously from the pandemic, it has limited us from doing our in-person Sigma Institutes regionally, but we have been given the capability to do virtual institutes. And because we're less limited in travel and sending staff all over the country to do multiple institutes on a weekend, we can do numerous virtual breakouts, and I think we've got seven or eight or something in that range of different virtual breakout tracks. Essentially, whatever officer position you are, there is a breakout track that probably caters to you in the institute curriculum.
0:03:24.9 Adam Girtz: Yeah, it's a new thing and it's one of those silver linings of this whole thing, right? When one door is closed, I think another door is opened. And in this case, we're not limited by the amount of rooms that a certain school has, and it's a complex space that we're renting or utilizing. We're really only limited by the amount of staff members that we have leading the breakout tracks, and yeah, I've seen a lot of positive response from the sessions that we've had already. So, if you're able to attend, if you're listening to this day-of, awesome, if not, there's always next year.
0:04:02.3 Drew Logsdon: Absolutely. And then of course, in a couple of days, we've got the big V-Day, Valentine's Day, of course. So, if you're also listening in this day-of, or even a few days late, after the day this went live, you may still have time to sneak out to a CVS and grab a card, some chocolates, some flowers. I don't know about you, Adam, I think I've got my Valentine's Day plans already pretty well wrapped up.
0:04:27.3 Adam Girtz: Yeah, I'm checking out just to see if anyone's listening out in the hallway, but I still need to get a card, so I need to do that. Thanks for the reminder.
0:04:39.0 Drew Logsdon: Yeah, yeah. So, make sure you go up there, you dot your I's and cross your T's, and if you haven't put any thought to a Valentine's Day gift or display of affection for your significant other, now is a really good time to begin putting thought to that and action to that as well too. So hopefully, you're getting out there and enjoying it, and even if you don't have a significant other to celebrate with, certainly you can celebrate with some other singles on...
0:05:06.4 Adam Girtz: Treat yourself.
0:05:07.3 Drew Logsdon: Exactly.
0:05:07.9 Adam Girtz: Buy yourself some chocolates and some flowers.
0:05:09.3 Drew Logsdon: Exactly. Just take yourself out to dinner. You will likely... I don't know, I'm saying this out of order, but you may be the only single person at a restaurant on Valentine's Day night for dinner, but maybe not, maybe not, indeed. In fact, maybe Valentine’s Day is the day you tell your kids one day of when you met your significant other.
0:05:28.6 Adam Girtz: [chuckle] I'm just thinking of last year, Nick and Fred and I ended up going out. Actually, with the institute, we were attending or leading the same institute, and we ended up going out to this steak house and they sat us at the only open table, which was at the glass piano where the guy, the pianist, the artist for the night, the entertainment was serenading us at our table. That was fun.
0:05:55.4 Drew Logsdon: Nice. [chuckle]
0:05:56.6 Adam Girtz: That's good Valentine's Day and I've got a picture from them of the... Anyway.
0:06:03.3 Drew Logsdon: Excellent, outstanding. Well, so that kind of wraps up our housekeeping items here, and I know I'm excited to listen to our interview with alumnus, Bill Morosco, from our Epsilon Zeta chapter at the University of Florida. For those who don't know, Bill Morosco, and you'll find out this shortly in the interview is the head men's basketball coach at Independence Community College, and that name may sound familiar, because it was featured on a very famous Netflix documentary, although different sport regarding JUCO football. Bill Morosco is the head men's basketball coach, as I said, at Independence Community College in Independence, Kansas. And Bill's rise to where he's at has been, I believe one phrase to call it would be meteoric perhaps, but Bill was a former staffer here at Headquarters, Bill's term or tenure at Headquarters was as a leadership consultant and also as a commission recruitment consultant. And I'll tell you what, man, Bill, and he'll share this in the interview as well, too, I think, did not play varsity ball, college basketball at the collegiate level.
0:07:09.8 Drew Logsdon: But came on staff and decided, "Hey, my dream is to coach basketball, that's my dream, that's what I want to do." And the man hit the ground running, he put full effort into it. Every summer we're in Lexington together, he would continuously ask the VMI folks, "Hey, can I come in and just sit down and shadow a practice or just sit in the back of the corner and watch what you guys do," and he was able to do that. And so Bill has done lots of work, he's been at a couple of different other institutions in his tenure, but I'm excited because we're talking to him about an important concept, especially this time of month, as commanders come back from college chapters and our institutes wrap up, we talk about goal setting and the things we need to be doing and everything like that, and now it's time to put rubber to the road, right, Adam, it's time to talk about teamwork.
0:07:58.6 Adam Girtz: Yeah, and our commanders are coming off of college chapters and officers coming off of institutes here, these last couple of weeks and months. And then you reach back to your chapter, and you have to start communicating those ideas and getting that buy-in, so I don't know about you, but after getting done with this interview, I was ready to run through a wall for Bill, so if he can make it work, our commanders can make it work. Absolutely.
0:08:29.2 Drew Logsdon: Absolutely agreed, agreed. Well, enough of us two talking here, let's just dive into it, let's get fired up here. So, we're going to stop talking here and we're going to send you right over to our interview with alumnus and ICC, head coach, men's basketball, head coach, Bill Morosco, and we'll catch you on the back end. See you later.
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0:09:11.8 Drew Logsdon: Alright. We are joined here today by alumnus and Brother Bill Morosco, who's an alumnus of the Epsilon Zeta Chapter at the University of Florida. Bill's also the head coach of the men's basketball team at Independence Community College. Bill, can you introduce yourself, I kind of stole your thunder there by just saying everything myself, but how's everything else, anything I left out there?
0:09:33.9 Bill Morosco: Good morning, guys. I think a major thing I was also a former staff member, I've done that as well, and I had a great experience traveling the country, working for Sigma Nu.
0:09:48.0 Drew Logsdon: Excellent.
0:09:49.4 Adam Girtz: Where did you consult?
0:09:51.4 Bill Morosco: I consulted, I had the West Coast my first year, ranging all the way from Colorado, California, Arizona, I think a couple of West Texas schools, and then I colonized the Epsilon Delta chapter, University of Wyoming. And also, I did... I think Drew might have named my spring semester consulting route, the Heartland Region, a lot of Missouri, Arkansas, Texas area.
0:10:18.4 Adam Girtz: I consulted Wyoming.
0:10:21.5 Bill Morosco: Oh, how are they doing?
0:10:23.8 Adam Girtz: They're doing... They're out there doing great.
0:10:27.4 Drew Logsdon: The Broncos, right? Or is it the Cowboys or the Broncos?
0:10:29.5 Bill Morosco: The Cowboys.
0:10:30.3 Drew Logsdon: The Cowboys. The Cowboys. Well, our listeners won't be able to see this, but as we talk to Bill Morocco here, we're looking at Bill in his office, I imagine on campus with just a litany of penance behind him of either defeated opponents, I imagine or schools you've been at Bill. So, thanks taking sometime today and talk to us. Today we're talking obviously about teamwork a little bit. And so, kind of my first question is, Bill, you spend a significant amount time as a men's basketball coach, whether as an assistant or head coach, now as you currently are. And we're talking about teamwork, and I guess from your experience, I'm interested in understanding a little bit of... You thinking back to the best teams that you've been a part of, whether that be a staff team or a team you've coached or been a part of, what have been the common threads of those great teams.
0:11:29.7 Bill Morosco: The first one would be a real strong bond of affection... But really staff teams or any teams that love each other, you have great relationships that you want to work hard for your fellow team member, you don't want to let them down, just because of how strong you feel about them, and also a love towards whatever the common mission is. So, it's some of the best teams I've been on have been close-knit tight groups that want to spend time together and also are very driven in the same direction, those are really big. And then also experience to me, at least on the basketball court, and then really in a lot of different areas. You're a lot better when you have a little bit more experience so the more... For us, I had a team at UC Davis, we had five redshirt seniors, and we won the conference, and those guys have been through the fires. And even I know obviously, we're talking to collegiate members for the most part on this podcast, but leaning on those former executive boards, leaning on to your consultants, your alumni advisory boards, all those such things where you can get some of that experience to help you as well when you are going through the different trials that will happen under your leadership.
0:12:47.1 Drew Logsdon: Outstanding, so it sounds like the things that I took away from what you said there was, A, common direction, which we would call vision, everyone having the same vision of direction we're going in, and then B, having experience, which I think a lot of chapters don't realize it's so important is... We see that, all three of us have seen that in our work for Sigma Nu of the seniors who are sort of, "Oh, well, I'm checked out, I've done my time," when actually... It's like, "Oh dude, as a senior, this is the most important time for you to be involved in your chapter, most critical time."
0:13:21.3 Bill Morosco: Yeah, and I'll go back to my former time as a commander, and a lot of times those transition meetings are rushed and they're over a lunch or shoot, sometimes they just leave you a note or whatever it might be, or really those can be extremely, extremely fruitful meetings, you can... Again, you want to acquire some institutional knowledge, some positional knowledge, and now for me as a men's basketball coach, I'm calling my mentors constantly, I've been coaching now six or seven years, and I still will call people I worked with five years ago, "How would you do this? We had this issue come up, how would you handle?"
0:14:03.6 Drew Logsdon: Outstanding, outstanding. Well, thinking about that as we're staying on the memory lane track a little bit here, Bill, think back to your time as leadership consultant. We'll definitely cover this topic when we get a chance here. I think a lot of folks think of leadership consultant, and I don't think they have a bad idea of it or a wrong idea, I just think they have a skewed idea of what that is or what have you, but here we are talking with, "Hey, a men's head basketball coach who did some time as a consultant of the staff team, and how has leadership consultant experience contributed to your success today?
0:14:46.7 Bill Morosco: I'd say greatly. Well, shoot, immensely, the first kind of... We'll go with the outside the box stuff was just... Me being able to create my own schedule. Really, all the self-discipline you needed to get your job done when it's just you by yourself, there's no one checking in to make sure, "Hey did he clock in at the right time this morning," you had to do all those things yourself. And for that to be your first job out of college, that's a challenging thing to do with... Because you have to create your own structure. Usually, you get a job right out of college, the structure is there, which we're clocking in 9 to 5, or some people they go to law school or medical school and those things. Again, the structure isn't inherently there, you had to construct your own, and that really helped me in terms of just gaining discipline and being able to put in work, because we work six days a week as a consultant and all different times of the day, and so there's just kind of that work ethic and all the detail that you had to put into your reports and organizationally those things, those very easily transitioned to helping me in my basketball career. Again, having to create my own schedule, not having someone look over my shoulder, making sure all the work gets done.
0:16:10.6 Bill Morosco: And then Drew knows this, I really leveraged my experience with Sigma Nu... Every single chapter I consulted, if the men's basketball team at a college would have me, I attended practice. And so, I got a chance to meet people, number one, and network, also really got a chance to learn a lot more than I thought I knew, so it really kind of... I was able to make up for a lot of time. I was a good high school player, but I did not play in college. I wasn't a manager in college, so I was behind the eight ball, and it really helped me accelerate my basketball knowledge, my basketball... All those things. So, I really leveraged that opportunity.
0:16:53.9 Adam Girtz: Bill, that's awesome. And that opportunity is actually available to our actives if anybody, any of our listeners are interested in consulting and are approaching graduation. That's available under the about us tab, at SigmaNu.org. So, something that I experienced while I was consulting was, and I think this is an experience that we all have as consultants, seeing all of these different chapters. You see chapters that are rock chapters and excelling, and you also see chapters that are struggling, in your experience working with different teams, what would you say are some common threads between bad teams or ineffective teams, or teams that struggle?
0:17:39.9 Bill Morosco: Well, there's a lot of things. The first one that I can relate to, the chapters would be thinking that we've arrived, we're doing a good job, we don't need to learn anymore. I don't need help from anybody. Those types of things. That's usually where the downfall starts. For me, I'm always learning, whenever I have an opportunity, I'm going to another practice and watching a team that I don't know anything about and learning from them, and always asking questions. We had amazing season last year. We had the best season in 10 years, and this is a community college, but I've sent six players off last year, sent to Division 1, so I could easily kick my feet up and be like, "Hey, I got this," but constantly trying to find new ways to improve, ways to get better, ways to do the same thing better. All those types of things. So sometimes you run into a chapter that we're very comfortable, maybe we're starting to get complacent, we know what we're doing, or maybe that has an adversarial approach with people that should be their mentors of saying to you, "I don't need to hear from this guy. Yeah, I don't need any knowledge from him, I'm good." Those types of things... Lead to failure.
0:19:02.8 Bill Morosco: And then another area I'd say is, especially in the basketball world, I coach a team sport, is selfishness. We deal with that quite a bit, and you could see that on potentially executive boards or memberships who only care about certain things or only what's going to help me, and they're not willing to sacrifice for the greater good. I mean take this pandemic for instance. There's a lot of sacrifices people have to make to be safe, whether that's wearing a mask or socially distancing or are not attending large events, and then you may have a couple of people in your chapter that say, "You know what, I don't want to wear a mask to class," or "I want to go attend a big party," or whatever it might be, and now they're putting people at risk with their selfish decisions. And those are things that we deal with quite a bit that we have to try to manage it and try not to be susceptible to.
0:20:01.5 Drew Logsdon: That's interesting Bill, you dived on that point. Really every commander, really every person in the chapter is a coach at some point in their time there, right? Whether you're a senior, your commander, you're an officer, and you're an alumnus, you're an advisor, you're a mentor, right? Every single Sigma Nu at some point in their Sigma Nu journey is going to become a coach. And so, I'm interested Bill, you've had these conversations way more than the 20-year-old Commander has, right? What are the tips for him? How do you have that conversation with a member of your team who is selfish, or a member of your team who is resting on their laurels and thinks like, "Oh, I don't need to improve"? How do you broach that subject? How do you have that conversation? Because I think that's... I mean, man, that would definitely be hard for me, when I was 20 years old, right? If someone said, "Hey, talk to this... Drew, talk to this guy two years older than you and tell him he's being selfish," that's a tough conversation, but how do you even like... How do you even start that conversation?
0:21:02.0 Bill Morosco: It's extremely difficult. And the number one thing that I would try to recommend, it may take some creative thinking, is, we talked about vision and having a unified vision earlier, is trying to figure out what his vision is and find a way that you can help him fulfill his vision through the communal success of the group. So, for all us in the basketball world, all of these players... For me, again, I coach a junior college, but I've coached Division I and those things before. And so, all these players, they want to go on and play Division I basketball, and so what I tell them is, there's no Division I basketball coach who's going to want a kid off a 20-loss team, so we have to win as a group, and winning takes a lot of sacrifice. Now, same thing again, you're dealing with an executive board member, well, on your resume, when we win Rho chapter, when we...
0:22:04.5 Bill Morosco: This is my personal experience. When we recruit 100 members. All those types things, that you're going to make your resume look so much better, now you get this on-campus award or whatever it is, but again, that takes a communal effort, it takes some sacrifice, it takes... We got to do something for the greater good, and we got to attend this maybe risk reduction seminar that we don't want to attend, or whatever it might be. But it takes those types of things so that we can achieve the greater goal. And so that would be something... What I always try to... What I always would try to do is try and make the people I'm working with think that it was their idea. And they're going to work a lot harder when they think it was their idea.
0:22:44.1 Drew Logsdon: Yeah, that's a classic.
0:22:47.8 Bill Morosco: So, you have a conversation, and you get to the... You're talking around the subject that eventually the guy's like, "You know what, what if we did this?" You're like, "I think that's brilliant, man. Wow. I'm blown away." I try to do that all the time.
0:23:01.6 Drew Logsdon: That's classic.
0:23:04.8 Adam Girtz: That's excellent. So something that I have seen in my chapter leadership, in different chapters that I've worked with is whether through perceived necessity or just your personality trait, leaders in the chapter, whether it's a commander or a lieutenant commander or your recruitment chairman that feel that they need to have the ball and have control at all times, they need to be the ones making decisions and doing, putting in all the work to get something done, and I've seen that not be as effective. Why is delegation or sharing the ball so important?
0:23:48.8 Bill Morosco: Oh, wow. Well, sharing the ball is extremely important, I'll tell you that. That's what our entire offense is predicated on. We try to lead the country with assists every year and we scored 90 points a game and had six players average double figures, and it was really hard to guard. So, basketball-wise, sharing the ball is the best thing you can do to score, and I guess you could take that a step further and the more you can delegate, the more things you can do. You can be in more places than one and you can achieve a lot more, just like the more assists we have, the more points we have, the more things you can delegate to the right people, of course, the more things you can get done. Let's think back. I go back to when I was a commander, obviously, I was a full-time college student, also at a job, a part-time job, a couple other responsibilities on campus, among a lot of things. So, there's a lot of responsibility that some of these commanders or executive board members may have, and so to be great, there's a lot of things that you have to do. So, I think you need to delegate to get enough things done, otherwise you're going to burn yourself out, or the work that is done is not going to be at a high enough level to achieve what I'm sure are lofty goals for most people.
0:25:12.4 Bill Morosco: So, delegation is huge, it's huge and it's still something that I struggle with. It's always something hard to do because it takes some faith, it takes a little bit of trust, and so that you don't have complete control over. And I will say I was just at a high school game last night recruiting, and I saw a high school coach and every time down the floor he called a set play, and it was just kind of this "Look at me, look how great I am," and they scored 30 points. Whereas the way I coach basketball is I teach our players how to play, and the right decisions to make, and we work on their individual skills, we teach a general framework of how to get things done. And I give them the ball and say, "Go, go make your decisions," and when we need to re-correct, I call a time-out, or I substitute some guys in. But I'm very much not a "Look at me and how brilliant of a coach I am." It's about the players.
0:26:06.2 Bill Morosco: And so, what you can do as a Commander, what you can do as a leadership consultant, what you can do as a leader is take that approach and say, "I'm going to... I don't look at myself as a coach, I look at myself as a teacher. So, I'm going to teach my chapter members, my employees, whatever it might be, I'm going to teach them expertly how to do their jobs, how to do different things, how to learn and grow and be creative and all those things. I'm going to teach them and then I'm going to let them do their jobs," and then my job is going to be to come in every once in a while, of course, direct, and say, "Well why don't we try it this way, and let's change this here." But again, instead of me doing everything, I'm teaching everyone how to play, so to speak.
0:26:49.4 Drew Logsdon: That's so interesting Bill, and that speaks really... I think that's something a lot of college officers... And I think also probably... This probably happens for a lot of AABs too, alumni advisors, it's natural, but a fear of failure, right?
0:27:05.6 Bill Morosco: Oh yeah.
0:27:07.1 Drew Logsdon: Like you don't want to let some... It's a fear of not letting a brother fail. "I don't want to give him this job because I'm not a 100% confident he can do it, and because of that, I don't want to see him fail." Or "I don't want us to lose this award, so I don't want to give this person the responsibility because I'm on the fence about them. And so, I don't want us to miss this deadline and fail, so I'm not going to do that." But I think there is... And you know this from coaching Bill, there is a huge power and benefit in failure. Failure is something that chapters and members should not be afraid of because as you know this Bill, the first game in the season and we see this on TV all the time, Bill knows I'm a University of Kentucky basketball fan, so this is historical at this point, traditional top 10 rank team, you get punched in the mouth by a mid-major first game in the season, there's a huge benefit in that. And so, I think it's just an interesting thing about how afraid we are sometimes of failure in our chapters, in our members, but at the same time, folks learn from failure. That may be the only thing some of the folks are going to learn from is an experience of failure.
0:28:23.8 Bill Morosco: No question, no question. I still to this day, I'm petrified of failure. I have a tremendous fear of failure. My wife makes fun of me all the time. I'm very anxious on game day. No matter all the things that I've done and achieved, I'm still terrified of failure. But I also know that we're not going to be successful if it's only about me. We're not going to achieve the level I want to achieve if it's just saying "Hey, look, look at all these set plays that I can call every time down the floor," we're not going to achieve that much because you know what? Because the buy-in is not going to be great. My assistant coaches are going to be checked out because I never let them do anything. Maybe every player besides the best player and the second-best player are going to be checked out because I don't call any plays for them.
0:29:12.2 Bill Morosco: So again, so now it's me by myself dragging along this organization, and we're only going to go so far until I fall flat on my face, where again, I'm terrified of failure, but also, I know that I'm not going to achieve Rho chapter, a national championship, or conference championship by myself. There's no way. So again, to get over that fear of failure, I do have to trust other people, and that's where again, I go from a coach... I say it all the time, I might not be the best coach, but I like to think I'm one of the best teachers. My mom's a teacher, my wife's a teacher, I'm all around teachers all the time. And I thought for a while, I thought I was going to go be a teacher. So again, those are ways that I think we try to get better at it. But I'll say this, these are lessons I didn't learn until our, shoot, probably after I was on staff at Sigma Nu. I mean, so as a 20-year-old, I was very much, "Look at all these great things that I did, look at me, I'm so great." No one cares.
0:30:14.7 Bill Morosco: And shoot, I'll tell you right now, I get more credit for things that I didn't do. Again, the way I teach our guys to play, they make these great plays and they're like "Look at that great play coach drew up." I didn't draw up any play. So again, if you're the leader and your team starts to achieve success, even if it's the guys, you're still going to get credit for it which is crazy to me. And then what I try to do is give all that credit back. Whenever we win a game, it's all about how great our players were and my assistant coaches who got a great scout. When we lose a game, it's on me.
0:30:47.1 Drew Logsdon: Yeah.
0:30:48.0 Adam Girtz: Bill, so as we're prepping for this episode, this is going to come out in February, hopefully, maybe I shouldn't say that, [laughter] but the mindset here is... Or the mindset that I was putting myself in is, I'm a commander that's fresh out of college chapters, or I'm a newly elected recruitment chairman who's coming in and starting a spring recruitment for the first time and trying to bring a chapter together. Team building here is I think so important and is something that maybe these new leaders stepping into these positions haven't been responsible for doing before. Could you give some advice directly to those leaders that might be listening, of "How do we build a team? What are my first steps? How do I start that conversation with my chapter?"
0:31:45.3 Bill Morosco: Yeah, Adam, that's a great question. What I would tell you is really the ingredients for every team is... I have the privilege of recruiting my team. So maybe I have a philosophy of, these are the type of people that I want to be around, and I get to go pick 'em. You may not have that opportunity, maybe a little bit as a recruitment chairman, I guess, but for the most part, you don't have that opportunity. So, you have this collection of individuals, and to be a good team, you have to make sure that we all have roles and that our roles emphasize our strengths and de-emphasize our weaknesses. So, working with your recruitment committee, working with your commander executive board, or just the individual members of your chapter, whatever it might be, and putting them in situations where their strengths will be emphasized.
0:32:38.0 Bill Morosco: So, if I have a kid who's not a great three-point shooter, why would I continue you to run plays for him to shoot threes? Or maybe he's a tremendous rebounder, so I want to keep him around the basket so we can get rebounds. So first of all, you have to be clear in what I think your role is, and then going back to what we said before and how I think you playing this role in our organization is going to help you achieve your individual goals and help our chapter, our team reach our communal goals. So, then you go from there, and then you build out, again, where everyone's in their strengths, no one's having to do their weaknesses, if we're lucky enough to do that, or you leverage 'em the lowest weakness, whatever it might be. And that's how I'd go about building a team.
0:33:23.7 Adam Girtz: Awesome. Thank you. Well, hopefully they can start by sharing this podcast episode with their whole chapter. [laughter]
0:33:29.5 Drew Logsdon: Yeah.
0:33:32.1 Adam Girtz: There you go.
0:33:32.6 Drew Logsdon: Absolutely, absolutely. Well Bill, as we as we run up on time here, I'm so appreciative, Adam and I both are really appreciative of the time you've taken today. You're a busy guy. I know when we were scheduling this, little behind the scenes for our listeners here, we're scheduling this, we want to do it in the afternoon originally and Bill was like, "No, I got to go out scout high school games. I got to go hit the recruiting track." And so, we totally understand, we're appreciative of the time that you're able to give to us, Bill. Hey Bill, if our listeners want to connect with you on social media or something like that, or I have a question for you, how can they go about reaching out to you?
0:34:06.7 Bill Morosco: Twitter would be the number one way to do it, @BillMorosco, B-I-L-L-M-O-R-O-S-C-O. Also, I'm relentless, I check my email all the time. And so, every once in a while, I'll get messages from Sigma Nu members and of guys who maybe want to get into coaching basketball or what have you, and I will do my best to get back to 'em. So, they can always email me bmorosco, same spelling as earlier, at ndcc.edu as well.
0:34:39.5 Drew Logsdon: Excellent, excellent. Well, Adam let the cat out of the bag, we are recording this episode actually in December of 2020 before the season gets into full steam. But Bill, hopefully by the time this releases, we've got some Ws on the record, on the scoreboard, and we're on a good track and everything for the season. So, Bill, thank you again so much for your time. Closing question for you, Bill, one probably our listeners avidly want to hear, best defense, zone or man-to-man.
0:35:06.4 Bill Morosco: Oh man-to-man.
0:35:07.6 Drew Logsdon: Oh, there we go, there we go. A man after my heart, full-court press man, love it. Love it. Well, Bill, thanks so much. We're thankful again for your time and we'll talk to you later.
0:35:17.2 Bill Morosco: Thank you guys, enjoyed it.
0:35:18.2 Adam Girtz: Thanks Bill.
0:35:19.2 Drew Logsdon: Thanks Bill.
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0:35:45.4 Drew Logsdon: Alright. Well, that was super exciting. Great to hear from Bill there.
0:35:49.3 Adam Girtz: Yeah, that was... I loved that interview. That was a... It was a fun one. It was really great to have Bill on. And yeah, like I said up top, ready to run through a wall, a lot of motivation coming out of that one. So, Commanders, if you play that for your chapter, go for it.
0:36:05.5 Drew Logsdon: Absolutely. And I think about... I think coaches all have this innate ability to just fire you up, get you motivated.
0:36:12.5 Adam Girtz: Absolutely.
0:36:13.1 Drew Logsdon: I feel like that every time I meet Bill Courtney, I leave the room and I'm just excited to drive through a brick wall. And same thing with Bill, you're just ready like, "Yeah put me in, Coach. I'm 30 through with bad knees, put me in, I'll do whatever you ask me to do."
0:36:27.3 Adam Girtz: Yeah, Bill Courtney, our long-time speaker at College of Chapters. What is it with coach Bill? Coach Bill must be... So, there's something about that, that just makes you an effective coach.
0:36:41.0 Drew Logsdon: Yeah, yeah. Well, and for those of y'all who want more content about Bill Morocco, we did do a Delta interview in the Delta magazine with Coach Bill, Coach Bill Morosco, I should say, just a little bit of while ago. We'll make sure we put a link to that article and the show notes, and that really greatly describes Bill's journey from an undergrad and the impact that made on his ability to be a head coach today and all the way through his journey from staff member to assistant coach, to head coach, to where he is now. So, it should be exciting stuff. But that was a great episode.
0:37:15.6 Adam Girtz: Great plug, Drew. That was great.
0:37:17.0 Drew Logsdon: Yeah, always, always plugging the Delta, always plugging the Delta.
0:37:19.6 Adam Girtz: Got to. Absolutely. If I wanted to read the Delta, where would I go?
0:37:25.0 Drew Logsdon: Absolutely. You just need to go to sigma.org and at the top menu there, it's right there... It's in... We made it in red. It's the only menu item that's fully red. So, it's stands out on its own pretty well. Just click the Delta and you can read it. So hopefully folks get some excitement out of that and feel free to go in there and browse around and find some articles and hoping to share some more exciting news with the Delta and maybe our next episode in fact, which will be fun to do. Well, that wraps us up for today, I believe. I don't think I have anything else on my schedule here. So, Adam? I think I motion to close.
0:37:58.3 Adam Girtz: I second.
0:38:00.0 Drew Logsdon: Well, all in favor, let's say aye.
0:38:01.0 Drew Logsdon: Aye.
0:38:01.5 Adam Girtz: Aye.
0:38:02.0 Drew Logsdon: Alright, folks. Well, that wraps up this episode of the Gavel Podcast, and we'll see y'all next month.
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